Great News! New Report Finds that Immigration Creates U.S. Jobs

[Ramon F. Herrera]

"Immigration creates jobs for native-born Americans. That is the
fundamental finding of a new study from the American Enterprise
Institute and the Partnership For A New American Economy, entitled
Immigration and American Jobs. The study—authored by Madeline Zavodny,
a professor of economics at Agnes Scott College—reinforces the
findings of numerous other studies which have demonstrated that there
is no correlation between immigration and unemployment. Specifically,
Zavodny analyzes Census data with the aim of answering one pivotal
question: “In states with more immigrants, are US natives more or less
likely to have a job?” Zavodny focuses on two groups in particular:
immigrants with advanced degrees, and immigrants of any skill level
who are in the country on temporary visas.

The four principal conclusions of Zavodny’s study are unequivocal:
[...]"

http://tinyurl.com/6nauz7q

Here's the study:

http://www.aei.org/files/2011/12/14/-immigration-and-american-jobs_144002688962.pdf

-Ramon

[RogerWilco]

Post by Ramon F. Herrera
"Immigration creates jobs for native-born Americans. That is the
fundamental finding of a new study from the American Enterprise
Institute and the Partnership For A New American Economy, entitled
Immigration and American Jobs. The study—authored by Madeline Zavodny,
a professor of economics at Agnes Scott College—reinforces the
findings of numerous other studies which have demonstrated that there
is no correlation between immigration and unemployment. Specifically,
Zavodny analyzes Census data with the aim of answering one pivotal
question: “In states with more immigrants, are US natives more or less
immigrants with advanced degrees, and immigrants of any skill level
who are in the country on temporary visas.
[...]"
http://tinyurl.com/6nauz7q
http://www.aei.org/files/2011/12/14/-immigration-and-american-jobs_144002688962.pdf
-Ramon

BUT AT WHAT COST?

[Steve from Colorado]

Post by RogerWilco

Post by Ramon F. Herrera
"Immigration creates jobs for native-born Americans. That is the
fundamental finding of a new study from the American Enterprise
Institute and the Partnership For A New American Economy, entitled
Immigration and American Jobs. The study authored by Madeline Zavodny,
a professor of economics at Agnes Scott College reinforces the
findings of numerous other studies which have demonstrated that there
is no correlation between immigration and unemployment. Specifically,
Zavodny analyzes Census data with the aim of answering one pivotal
question: In states with more immigrants, are US natives more or less
immigrants with advanced degrees, and immigrants of any skill level
who are in the country on temporary visas.
[...]"
http://tinyurl.com/6nauz7q
http://www.aei.org/files/2011/12/14/-immigration-and-american-jobs_14...
-Ramon

BUT AT WHAT COST?

http://articles.sfgate.com/2003-03-18/business/17482283_1_h-1b-visa-sun-workers-foreign-workers

Sun hit with discrimination suit / Indian workers favored, U.S.-born
engineer alleges
March 18, 2003|By Hiawatha Bray, Boston Globe

A lawsuit filed Monday alleges Santa Clara computer giant Sun
Microsystems Inc. laid off thousands of U.S. high-tech workers in
order to replace them with younger, lower-paid engineers from India.

The lawsuit, for which class-action status is being sought, is certain
to intensify an already fierce debate between technology companies and
American engineers over the future of the H-1B visa program. Such
visas let companies temporarily bring foreign workers into the United
States.

Companies say that H-1B visas provide well-trained workers who have
skills that are hard to find in the domestic labor force. But U.S.
workers say that at a time of high unemployment among American
engineers and computer programmers, the H-1B program is mainly being
used to bring in cheaper workers from overseas.

The latest case, filed in Santa Clara County Superior Court, was
brought by Walter Kruz, 52, who was employed at Sun from May 2000
until late 2001, when Sun was laying off about 2,500 of its workers in
the United States. While Kruz is currently the only plaintiff, his
attorney, James Caputo, plans to sue on behalf of hundreds of other
Sun workers whom he believes received similar treatment.

The lawsuit claims Sun had a bias in favor of hiring people from
India, citing as evidence statements made this year by Sun's Indian-
born co-founder, Vinod Khosla, on the CBS television program "60
Minutes." Khosla was quoted as saying that at Sun, people from India
"are favored over almost anybody else."

According to the lawsuit, hardly any of those laid off by Sun were of
Indian descent. Instead, the company created a performance evaluation
program that required managers to classify a certain percentage of
workers as underperformers, the suit alleges. At the same time,
workers who had been at the company for a short time were exempted
from this evaluation program, ensuring that few H-1B visa holders
would be subject to it. As a result, most of those found to be
underperfomers were older, American-born workers.

At the same time, the suit alleges, Sun was applying for permission to
bring in about 2,400 foreign workers, mostly from India, to fill
technical jobs. Many of these jobs were advertised in the United
States, as federal law requires. But the suit alleges that Sun refused
to consider any of the laid- off U.S. workers for the positions.

[Ramon F. Herrera]

Post by RogerWilco

Post by Ramon F. Herrera
"Immigration creates jobs for native-born Americans. That is the
fundamental finding of a new study from the American Enterprise
Institute and the Partnership For A New American Economy, entitled
Immigration and American Jobs. The study authored by Madeline Zavodny,
a professor of economics at Agnes Scott College reinforces the
findings of numerous other studies which have demonstrated that there
is no correlation between immigration and unemployment. Specifically,
Zavodny analyzes Census data with the aim of answering one pivotal
question: In states with more immigrants, are US natives more or less
immigrants with advanced degrees, and immigrants of any skill level
who are in the country on temporary visas.
[...]"
http://tinyurl.com/6nauz7q
http://www.aei.org/files/2011/12/14/-immigration-and-american-jobs_14...
-Ramon

BUT AT WHAT COST?

http://articles.sfgate.com/2003-03-18/business/17482283_1_h-1b-visa-s...
Sun hit with discrimination suit / Indian workers favored, U.S.-born
engineer alleges
March 18, 2003|By Hiawatha Bray, Boston Globe
A lawsuit filed Monday alleges Santa Clara computer giant Sun
Microsystems Inc. laid off thousands of U.S. high-tech workers in
order to replace them with younger, lower-paid engineers from India.
The lawsuit, for which class-action status is being sought, is certain
to intensify an already fierce debate between technology companies and
American engineers over the future of the H-1B visa program. Such
visas let companies temporarily bring foreign workers into the United
States.
Companies say that H-1B visas provide well-trained workers who have
skills that are hard to find in the domestic labor force. But U.S.
workers say that at a time of high unemployment among American
engineers and computer programmers, the H-1B program is mainly being
used to bring in cheaper workers from overseas.
The latest case, filed in Santa Clara County Superior Court, was
brought by Walter Kruz, 52, who was employed at Sun from May 2000
until late 2001, when Sun was laying off about 2,500 of its workers in
the United States. While Kruz is currently the only plaintiff, his
attorney, James Caputo, plans to sue on behalf of hundreds of other
Sun workers whom he believes received similar treatment.
The lawsuit claims Sun had a bias in favor of hiring people from
India, citing as evidence statements made this year by Sun's Indian-
born co-founder, Vinod Khosla, on the CBS television program "60
Minutes." Khosla was quoted as saying that at Sun, people from India
"are favored over almost anybody else."
According to the lawsuit, hardly any of those laid off by Sun were of
Indian descent. Instead, the company created a performance evaluation
program that required managers to classify a certain percentage of
workers as underperformers, the suit alleges. At the same time,
workers who had been at the company for a short time were exempted
from this evaluation program, ensuring that few H-1B visa holders
would be subject to it. As a result, most of those found to be
underperfomers were older, American-born workers.
At the same time, the suit alleges, Sun was applying for permission to
bring in about 2,400 foreign workers, mostly from India, to fill
technical jobs. Many of these jobs were advertised in the United
States, as federal law requires. But the suit alleges that Sun refused
to consider any of the laid- off U.S. workers for the positions.

That article is almost a decade old, and the case is about a company
that went bankrupt and was acquired by Oracle.

-Ramon

[Steve from Colorado]

Post by Ramon F. Herrera

Post by RogerWilco

Post by Ramon F. Herrera
"Immigration creates jobs for native-born Americans. That is the
fundamental finding of a new study from the American Enterprise
Institute and the Partnership For A New American Economy, entitled
Immigration and American Jobs. The study authored by Madeline Zavodny,
a professor of economics at Agnes Scott College reinforces the
findings of numerous other studies which have demonstrated that there
is no correlation between immigration and unemployment. Specifically,
Zavodny analyzes Census data with the aim of answering one pivotal
question: In states with more immigrants, are US natives more or less
immigrants with advanced degrees, and immigrants of any skill level
who are in the country on temporary visas.
[...]"
http://tinyurl.com/6nauz7q
http://www.aei.org/files/2011/12/14/-immigration-and-american-jobs_14...
-Ramon

BUT AT WHAT COST?

http://articles.sfgate.com/2003-03-18/business/17482283_1_h-1b-visa-s...
Sun hit with discrimination suit / Indian workers favored, U.S.-born
engineer alleges
March 18, 2003|By Hiawatha Bray, Boston Globe
A lawsuit filed Monday alleges Santa Clara computer giant Sun
Microsystems Inc. laid off thousands of U.S. high-tech workers in
order to replace them with younger, lower-paid engineers from India.
The lawsuit, for which class-action status is being sought, is certain
to intensify an already fierce debate between technology companies and
American engineers over the future of the H-1B visa program. Such
visas let companies temporarily bring foreign workers into the United
States.
Companies say that H-1B visas provide well-trained workers who have
skills that are hard to find in the domestic labor force. But U.S.
workers say that at a time of high unemployment among American
engineers and computer programmers, the H-1B program is mainly being
used to bring in cheaper workers from overseas.
The latest case, filed in Santa Clara County Superior Court, was
brought by Walter Kruz, 52, who was employed at Sun from May 2000
until late 2001, when Sun was laying off about 2,500 of its workers in
the United States. While Kruz is currently the only plaintiff, his
attorney, James Caputo, plans to sue on behalf of hundreds of other
Sun workers whom he believes received similar treatment.
The lawsuit claims Sun had a bias in favor of hiring people from
India, citing as evidence statements made this year by Sun's Indian-
born co-founder, Vinod Khosla, on the CBS television program "60
Minutes." Khosla was quoted as saying that at Sun, people from India
"are favored over almost anybody else."
According to the lawsuit, hardly any of those laid off by Sun were of
Indian descent. Instead, the company created a performance evaluation
program that required managers to classify a certain percentage of
workers as underperformers, the suit alleges. At the same time,
workers who had been at the company for a short time were exempted
from this evaluation program, ensuring that few H-1B visa holders
would be subject to it. As a result, most of those found to be
underperfomers were older, American-born workers.
At the same time, the suit alleges, Sun was applying for permission to
bring in about 2,400 foreign workers, mostly from India, to fill
technical jobs. Many of these jobs were advertised in the United
States, as federal law requires. But the suit alleges that Sun refused
to consider any of the laid- off U.S. workers for the positions.

That article is almost a decade old, and the case is about a company
that went bankrupt and was acquired by Oracle.
-Ramon

The article is as relevant for today's post by you as it was when it
was written. Sun went bankrupt because those Indian programmers and
engineers just weren't up to snuff or deliberately sabotaged the
corporation as they appeared to have done with Level 3 Communications
and Global Crossing -- all of which shared the same geography across
Highway 36 from now defunct StorageTek in Boulder County. The high
unemployment rates in California and other states and the dire
straights that governments are in from the local level all the way to
Washington make a mockery of your claim that immigrants create jobs
for Americans. War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Immigrant scab
workers create jobs for American citizens. Tell more lies, Ramon,
while Hugo Chavez sits on your face.

[Old Pif]

Post by Ramon F. Herrera
That article is almost a decade old, and the case is about a company
that went bankrupt and was acquired by Oracle.

Anybody goes bankrupt if amount of Hindus surpasses certain threshold.

[Ramon F. Herrera]

Post by RogerWilco

Post by Ramon F. Herrera
"Immigration creates jobs for native-born Americans. That is the
fundamental finding of a new study from the American Enterprise
Institute and the Partnership For A New American Economy, entitled
Immigration and American Jobs. The study authored by Madeline Zavodny,
a professor of economics at Agnes Scott College reinforces the
findings of numerous other studies which have demonstrated that there
is no correlation between immigration and unemployment. Specifically,
Zavodny analyzes Census data with the aim of answering one pivotal
question: In states with more immigrants, are US natives more or less
immigrants with advanced degrees, and immigrants of any skill level
who are in the country on temporary visas.
[...]"
http://tinyurl.com/6nauz7q
http://www.aei.org/files/2011/12/14/-immigration-and-american-jobs_14...
-Ramon

BUT AT WHAT COST?

The cost has been factored in. Immigrants (legal and otherwise) are a
positive for the economy. The more educated, the better, BUT the
uneducated are also a plus.

The State of Florida has a really good resource:
http://www.collinscenter.org/page/imm_effects

Edward Schumaker says: "Nobody knows"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/09/AR2010090902874.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impact_of_illegal_immigrants_in_the_United_States

-Ramon

[Ramon F Herrera]

Post by Ramon F. Herrera

Post by RogerWilco
BUT AT WHAT COST?

Edward Schumaker says: "Nobody knows"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/02/AR2010090202673.html

Incidentally, Mr. Schumaker-Matos was an illegal immigrant between
ages 14-21.

Check him out now!

"Schumacher-Matos, the Robert F. Kennedy Visiting Professor for Latin
American Studies at Harvard University, is also a Shorenstein Fellow
on the Press, Politics and Public Policy at Harvard's Kennedy School
of Government. He teaches a graduate seminar on immigration from Latin
America into the U.S. and is writing a book on the subject. At the
Shorenstein Center, he focuses on immigration and the trend toward
more opinionated journalism in cable news.

"Schumacher-Matos travels widely, speaking on politics and the global
economy to groups ranging from the World Economic Forum to the Council
on Foreign Relations. He was educated at Vanderbilt University and the
Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University, then served
as a Fulbright Fellow in Japan and as a Bi-National Commission Fellow
in Spain. He also was executive director of the Spanish Institute in
New York, a nonprofit dedicated to U.S.-Spanish political, economic
and cultural affairs. He commutes between New York City and
Cambridge."

http://www.postwritersgroup.com/schumacher-matos.htm

-Ramon

[Ramon F Herrera]

Post by RogerWilco

Post by Ramon F. Herrera
"Immigration creates jobs for native-born Americans. That is the
fundamental finding of a new study from the American Enterprise
Institute and the Partnership For A New American Economy, entitled
Immigration and American Jobs. The study authored by Madeline Zavodny,
a professor of economics at Agnes Scott College reinforces the
findings of numerous other studies which have demonstrated that there
is no correlation between immigration and unemployment. Specifically,
Zavodny analyzes Census data with the aim of answering one pivotal
question: In states with more immigrants, are US natives more or less
immigrants with advanced degrees, and immigrants of any skill level
who are in the country on temporary visas.
[...]"
http://tinyurl.com/6nauz7q
http://www.aei.org/files/2011/12/14/-immigration-and-american-jobs_14...
-Ramon

BUT AT WHAT COST?

Good question...

"The truth is that unauthorized immigrants are probably a net burden
on taxpayers in the short term, but only if you consider education as
a cost and not as an investment in the nation's future, as it was seen
a century ago."

"So, the main question may be: Are they deserving? Look around you at
the people whose European-born ancestors were on the dole and
overcrowding schools a century ago. You decide. "

http://tinyurl.com/37vrlmv

-Ramon

[RogerWilco]

Post by Ramon F Herrera

Post by RogerWilco

Post by Ramon F. Herrera
"Immigration creates jobs for native-born Americans. That is the
fundamental finding of a new study from the American Enterprise
Institute and the Partnership For A New American Economy, entitled
Immigration and American Jobs. The study authored by Madeline Zavodny,
a professor of economics at Agnes Scott College reinforces the
findings of numerous other studies which have demonstrated that there
is no correlation between immigration and unemployment. Specifically,
Zavodny analyzes Census data with the aim of answering one pivotal
question: In states with more immigrants, are US natives more or less
immigrants with advanced degrees, and immigrants of any skill level
who are in the country on temporary visas.
[...]"
http://tinyurl.com/6nauz7q
http://www.aei.org/files/2011/12/14/-immigration-and-american-jobs_14...
-Ramon

BUT AT WHAT COST?

Good question...
"The truth is that unauthorized immigrants are probably a net burden
on taxpayers in the short term, but only if you consider education as
a cost and not as an investment in the nation's future, as it was seen
a century ago."
"So, the main question may be: Are they deserving? Look around you at
the people whose European-born ancestors were on the dole and
overcrowding schools a century ago. You decide. "
http://tinyurl.com/37vrlmv
-Ramon

from the link provided:



"The Pew Hispanic Center reports that the estimated average annual
number of border jumpers between March 2007 and March 2009 was a third
of what it was between 2000 and 2005."

appears the fence is having some impact.
we should finish the job.
I am for legal immigration as long as it is done intelligently.

[Ramon F Herrera]

Post by RogerWilco

Post by Ramon F. Herrera
"Immigration creates jobs for native-born Americans. That is the
fundamental finding of a new study from the American Enterprise
Institute and the Partnership For A New American Economy, entitled
Immigration and American Jobs. The study authored by Madeline Zavodny,
a professor of economics at Agnes Scott College reinforces the
findings of numerous other studies which have demonstrated that there
is no correlation between immigration and unemployment. Specifically,
Zavodny analyzes Census data with the aim of answering one pivotal
question: In states with more immigrants, are US natives more or less
immigrants with advanced degrees, and immigrants of any skill level
who are in the country on temporary visas.
[...]"
http://tinyurl.com/6nauz7q
http://www.aei.org/files/2011/12/14/-immigration-and-american-jobs_14...
-Ramon

  >  BUT AT WHAT COST?
Good question...
"The truth is that unauthorized immigrants are probably a net burden
on taxpayers in the short term, but only if you consider education as
a cost and not as an investment in the nation's future, as it was seen
a century ago."
"So, the main question may be: Are they deserving? Look around you at
the people whose European-born ancestors were on the dole and
overcrowding schools a century ago. You decide. "
http://tinyurl.com/37vrlmv
-Ramon

"The Pew Hispanic Center reports that the estimated average annual
number of border jumpers between March 2007 and March 2009 was a third
of what it was between 2000 and 2005."
appears the fence is having some impact.

The reduction in border jumpers has been widely reported lately. Among
its causes are steeped enforcement (at the border and internally)
plus, obviously, the state of the US economy. The Mexican economy is
also improving: the unemployment rates at our northern and southern
neighbors are lower than that of the US.

http://americasvoiceonline.org/pages/deportations_by_fiscal_year

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kristian-ramos/us-immigration-_b_897084.html

-Ramon

[Harrison J. Bounel]

Post by Ramon F. Herrera
"Immigration creates jobs for native-born Americans. That is the
fundamental finding of a new study from the American Enterprise
Institute and the Partnership For A New American Economy, entitled
Immigration and American Jobs. The study—authored by Madeline Zavodny,
a professor of economics at Agnes Scott College—reinforces the
findings of numerous other studies which have demonstrated that there
is no correlation between immigration and unemployment. Specifically,
Zavodny analyzes Census data with the aim of answering one pivotal
question: “In states with more immigrants, are US natives more or less
immigrants with advanced degrees, and immigrants of any skill level
who are in the country on temporary visas.
[...]"
http://tinyurl.com/6nauz7q
http://www.aei.org/files/2011/12/14/-immigration-and-american-jobs_14...
-Ramon

Sure it does. Creates jobs for Border
Patrol,police,prisons,entitlement programs,gun and ammo manufacturers
and dealers,bi-lingual teachers and mexxkin restaurants.

[Ramon F. Herrera]

Post by Harrison J. Bounel

Post by Ramon F. Herrera
"Immigration creates jobs for native-born Americans. That is the
fundamental finding of a new study from the American Enterprise
Institute and the Partnership For A New American Economy, entitled
Immigration and American Jobs. The study—authored by Madeline Zavodny,
a professor of economics at Agnes Scott College—reinforces the
findings of numerous other studies which have demonstrated that there
is no correlation between immigration and unemployment. Specifically,
Zavodny analyzes Census data with the aim of answering one pivotal
question: “In states with more immigrants, are US natives more or less
immigrants with advanced degrees, and immigrants of any skill level
who are in the country on temporary visas.
[...]"
http://tinyurl.com/6nauz7q
http://www.aei.org/files/2011/12/14/-immigration-and-american-jobs_14...
-Ramon

Sure it does. Creates jobs for Border
Patrol,police,prisons,entitlement programs,gun and ammo manufacturers
and dealers,bi-lingual teachers and mexxkin restaurants.

I dare you to call the Cato Institute a commie!

"Cato Institute (2009)

"One striking fact about low-skilled immigrants in America, both legal
and illegal, is their propensity to work. In 2008, the labor-force
participation rate of foreign-born Hispanics was 70.7 percent —
compared to an overall rate of 65.6 percent for native-born Americans.
Immigrants 25 years of age or older, without a high-school diploma,
were half again more likely to be participating in the labor force
than native-born dropouts (61.1 percent vs. 38.4 percent). According
to estimates by the Pew Hispanic Center, male illegal immigrants, ages
18–64, had a labor force participation rate in 2004 of an incredible
92 percent. Illegal immigrants are typically poor, but they are almost
all working poor."

http://www.collinscenter.org/page/imm_effects

-Ramon

[Stan de SD]

Post by Ramon F. Herrera
"Immigration creates jobs for native-born Americans. That is the
fundamental finding of a new study from the American Enterprise
Institute and the Partnership For A New American Economy, entitled
Immigration and American Jobs. The study—authored by Madeline Zavodny,
a professor of economics at Agnes Scott College—reinforces the
findings of numerous other studies which have demonstrated that there
is no correlation between immigration and unemployment.

So what did it say about illegals, who are NOT legal "immigrants"?

[Ramon F Herrera]

Post by Stan de SD

Post by Ramon F. Herrera
"Immigration creates jobs for native-born Americans. That is the
fundamental finding of a new study from the American Enterprise
Institute and the Partnership For A New American Economy, entitled
Immigration and American Jobs. The study—authored by Madeline Zavodny,
a professor of economics at Agnes Scott College—reinforces the
findings of numerous other studies which have demonstrated that there
is no correlation between immigration and unemployment.

So what did it say about illegals, who are NOT legal "immigrants"?

They are included in the multiple studies.

http://www.collinscenter.org/page/imm_effects

Some conclusions: They are positive for the economy BUT tend to use
Emergency Rooms and Schools.

Corporate America (the US Chamber) says that the best -and only-
solution is to document them.

-Ramon

[Bull in a China Blue Shop]

Post by Stan de SD

Post by Ramon F. Herrera
"Immigration creates jobs for native-born Americans. That is the
fundamental finding of a new study from the American Enterprise
Institute and the Partnership For A New American Economy, entitled
Immigration and American Jobs. The study‹authored by Madeline Zavodny,
a professor of economics at Agnes Scott College‹reinforces the
findings of numerous other studies which have demonstrated that there
is no correlation between immigration and unemployment.

So what did it say about illegals, who are NOT legal "immigrants"?

It's shame you elided the cite of the report, otherwise you could find out
yourself.

[Zyklon-Bozo © Body Wash]

On Jan 7, 9:52 am, Stan de SD <***@gmail.com> wrote:


Stan de SD = Bozo de Nero

Jay Smilkstein ("Bozo de Nero") - 64 A.D. Rome Mass Murder
Larry Silverstein (Bldg. 7) Sept. 11, 2001

September 11, 2001 (9-11)

(Suppressed By Israeli MOSSAD)
Finally Released Audio Of Fire Fighters In Building 7
Alex Jones and his Archived Radio Show
http://rss.infowars.com/20101006_Wed_Alex.mp3
Note - 32 Minutes Into Program
BOMBS GOING OFF !

Psychotropic Insane American JEW
Bozo Jay Smilkstein ("Bozo de Nero")
Publicly Exhibited Emulation Of 'Nero' 64 A.D. Rome Fire

Bozo ---> WIKIPEDIA Created A Page Because
The Jew Pest Jay Smilkstein, Is
A Notorious AntiChrist Satan Kike
Who Bothers Jew York Radio Stations
With His Angst To Promote Satanic
Judaic Bolshevik Pornographic Hassidics

WIKIPEDIA
http://www.hfunderground.com/wiki/Bozo
http://www.coloneljake.com/BAM1BAM/BDN00/

Employed Circus Jew Clown Bozo Jay Smilkstein:
http://www.exorcist.org.nz/bozo_wild_jew.wav

Having Been Forced To Flee (Flea) The Tailor Business,
The Freudian Psycho Jews Have Invented A "Profession"
Called Psychiatry, Which Comes With The Peddling And
Pandering Of Psychotropic Drugs Throughout The World,
Of Which The U.S. Court System Now Is Dictated By The
Large Pharmaceutical Companies, Dispensing Billions Of
Dollars Of Psychotropics To "Offenders".

Follywood, California, Where Unlimited "Stars" State
To The Public That They Have Sessions (Psycho Shrinks),
Which Is A Purposeful Plot By The Jew Controlled
Medias To Forment Opinion Supporting The Jewish Control
Of The Psychotic U.S. Psychotropic Export Idea And
So-Called Jew Freud "Profession".
Jews Are Insane Themselves !
Jews Hear Voices In Their Heads !

The Jews (Hassidics) In Jew York, Were Caught By
The F.B.I. (Federal Bureau of Investigation) Fairly
Recently, Drug-Running Under The Guise Of Their
Hassidic "religion" Costumes, where the U.S. Border
Patrol still allows un-inspected shipments from
Hassidic Jews ---> The Jews Were Shipping In
Ecstasy, Etc.

The Drug Ecstasy Has Been Found To Be Manufactured
By Jewish MOSSAD Mafias, In New York, And In Israel.
The Whole 'RAVE' Scene Which Appeared Out Of No-Where
Is And Was A Completely Jew Run Operation -- 'RAVES'
And Ecstasy Distribution And Pushing, Is A Jew Mafia
Scandal Yet To Be Exposed Properly To The World !

JEWS ---> Music Mafias
Drug Mafias
Hell's Angels
http://www.exorcist.org.nz/music_mafias.html

January 2011
JERUSALEM \ TEMPLE MOUNT \ FALLEN ANGELS (U.F.O.)
--->

CHRISTCHURCH EARTHQUAKE (NZ)
February, 2011

New Zealand's Labour Party Leader,
Phil Goff stated:

" What was the Israeli search and rescue team
doing in an area where it wasn't allowed to be? "

" The suspicion is that this is a cover-up to
avoid embarrassing Israel."

ISRAEL !

The Book ---> 'Death Of The Rainbow Warrior'
Michael King
ISBN: 0-14-009738-4

Page: 192

"Next agent to evade the New Zealand police was
Christine Cabon, alias Frederique Bonlieu,
working on an American-supervised evacuation
at Pardes Hanna near Tel Aviv. According to
the Israeli police, the telegram from the
New Zealand police asking them to hold Bonlieu
for questioning by a New Zealand detective
arrived the same day, 25 July, as another
telegram from France. The French message,
which Cabon received first, told her to
return home at once because her father was
critically ill. An American student working
on the excavaton with Bonlieu said the
Frenchwoman came into her dormitory looking
pale and anxious, and announced that she
had to leave for France immediately. She
flew out of Israel the following day.

In fact, of course, her father was already
dead. The telegram was a coded message from
the DSGE warning her to leave Israel before
the New Zealand police got to her. That she
received it before the Israeli police acted
on the request from New Zealand raises a
strong possibility that they co-operated in
her escape. Given that she had worked
previously for the Israeli Secret Service,
this would not be surprising."

Additional Information In Regards To Anti-Nuclear
New Zealand And Israel (Israel Has Already Tested
Nuclear Bombs West Of South Africa) --->

In 1963 John Fitzerald Kennedy Was Embroiled In
A Bitter Secret Conflict With Israel Leader David
Ben-Gurion over Israel's Drive To The Atomic Bomb.
Ben-Gurion resigned In Disgust, Saying That
Because Of J.F.K., Israel's "existence (was) in
danger". Upon J.F.K.'s Assassination, U.S. Policy
Toward Israel Began An Immediate 180-degree
Turnaround. The Fact Is That When New Orleans
District Attorney Jim Garrison Prosecuted Trade
Executive Clay Shaw With Conspiracy In The
Assassination, Garrison Has Stumbled On The
MOSSAD Link -- Shaw Served On The Board Of
PERMINDEX, A Front For MOSSAD Arms Procurement
Operations. A Key PERMINDEX Shareholder,
The Swiss-Based Banque De Credit Internationale,
Was The Fiefdom Of Tibor Rosenbaum, A Top MOSSAD
Official, And Chief Money Laundry For Meyer
Lansky, "Chairman" Of The Crime Syndicate And
Israeli Loyalist. The CEO Of PERMINDEX Was
Louis Bloomfield Of Montreal, An Operative Of
The Bronfman Family, Intimate Lansky Associates
And Leading Patrons Of Israel.
James Angleton, The C.I.A.'s MOSSAD Liaison, Was
A Devoted Partisan Of Israel Who Orchestrated A
False Scenario Linking Accused Assassin Lee Harvey
Oswald To The Soveit KGB. Even "mainstream"
Organised Crime Sources Note That Leading
"Mafia" Figures Accused Of Being Behind The
Assassination Were Lansky Subordinates. Perhaps
Oliver Stone Failed To Mention These Details In
The Movie: JFK -- Because His Film Was Financed
By Aron Milchan, An Israeli Arms Dealer Linked To
Smuggling Of Material To Israel's Nuclear Program
-- The Point Of Contention Between J.F.K. And
Israel.

My Own Investigation Into The Assassination Of
J.F.K. And Reggae Singer Bob Marley:
http://www.exorcist.org.nz/blackwell.html

Joel Stein Of The Los Angeles Times --->
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/dec/19/opinion/oe-stein19

* Recently Listed The Whole Cabal Of Babylon Talmud
"Jews" Who Run Follywood With Complete Immersion
Into Pure Filth, Porn, Smut, Septic Jew Sex Fetish Sludge.

ABC TV
THE JIEW
http://www.exorcist.org.nz/jew_1960_kennedy_slump_debate.html



The Babylon (Babel) Talmud ---> Jews !

1917 BOLSHEVIKS = REGULATED PEDOPHILIA
(Talmud, Torah, Kabbalah)

Permits Child-Adult Sex
Talmud law permits sexual intercourse between
children and adults.

This doctrine is contained in a number of Mishnahs.
Before we examine them, however, it is necessary
that the reader be familiar with the word kethubah.
According to the Soncino Talmud Glossary:

" KETHUBAH (Lit., 'a written [document]'); (a) a wife's marriage
settlement which she is entitled to recover on her being divorced
or on the death of her husband. The minimum settlement for a virgin
is two hundred zuz, and for a widow remarrying one hundred zuz;
(b) the marriage contract specifying the mutual obligations
between husband and wife and containing the amount of the endowment
and any other special financial obligations assumed by the husband. "

— Babylonian Talmud, Soncino Talmud Glossary


Zuz is a unit of currency. We see, then, that a dollar (or zuz)
value is put on virginity.

Now let's look at a Mishnah from Kethuboth 11a:
" MISHNAH. WHEN A GROWN-UP MAN (7) HAS HAD SEXUAL
INTERCOURSE WITH (8) A LITTLE GIRL, (9) OR WHEN A SMALL
BOY (10) HAS INTERCOURSE WITH A GROWN-UP WOMAN, OR
[WHEN A GIRL WAS ACCIDENTALLY] INJURED BY A PIECE OF
WOOD (11) — [IN ALL THESE CASES] THEIR KETHUBAH IS TWO
HUNDRED [ZUZ] … "

— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Kethuboth 11a


Soncino 1961 Edition, page 57
The translator, Rabbi Dr. Samuel Daiches, amplifies the text
with footnotes:
" A man who was of age.
Lit., 'who came on'.
Less than three years old.
Less than nine years of age.
Lit., 'One who was injured by wood', as a result of which she
injured the hymen. "

— Rabbi Dr. Daiches


Let's review the above-cited Mishnah: "When a grown-up man has
had sexual intercourse with a little girl, or when a small boy
has intercourse with a grown-up woman …" It is obvious that
sex activity between a grown man and a little girl, and between
a grown woman and a little boy, is a part of the woof and the
warp of everyday Talmud life; such relationships, in the eyes
of the Sages, are unremarkable.
There is no prohibition on sexual activity between adults and
young children — it is simply regulated. Recall the words of
the Very Reverend the Chief Rabbi of the British Empire, the
late Dr. Joseph Herman Hertz:


" Religion in the Talmud attempts to penetrate the whole of
human life with the sense of law and right. Nothing human is
in its eyes mean or trivial; everything is regulated and
sanctified by religion. Religious precept and duty accompany
man from his earliest years to the grave and beyond it.
They guide his desires and actions at every moment. "

— Rabbi Dr. Hertz (38)


Thus, if the Talmud permits girls three years old and younger
to be sexually used by adults, that is the law. The concern of
the Sages is to ensure that the adult is not, technically
speaking, in violation of any of the rules.


Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's book [Gulag Archipelago],
identifies the Jews who created and administered


the Soviet gulags :


Aron Solts
Yakov Rappoport
Lazar Kogan
Matvei Berman
Genrikh Yagoda
Naftaly Frenkel


All six (6) are JEWS !


These Jewish, Rothschild funded Bolsheviks
would go on in the course of history to slaughter 60 million
Christians and non-Jews in Soviet controlled territory.


60 Million !


It already a known fact, that a Jew Conspiracy is taking
place in Hollywood, New York, and other avenues of media
like films, TV and radio. Here is an article from a Jew
who tells it like it is, that the Jews run everything.


http://articles.latimes.com/2008/dec/19/opinion/oe-stein19


The Talmud (with the Kabbalah) is Judaism's holiest
book. The supremacy of the Talmud *over* the Bible in
the Israeli state may also be seen in the case of the
blessed and wonderful black Ethiopian Flasha.
Ethiopians are knowledgeable of the Old Testament.
However, their religion is so ancient it pre-dates
the Scribes' Talmud, of which the Ethiopians have
no knowledge.


"The problem" is that Ethiopian Jewish tradion goes no
further than the Bible or Torah; the later Talmud and
other commentaries that form the basis of modern
traditions never came their way.


Because they are not trafficker in Talmudic tradition,
the black Ethiopians are discriminated against and have
been forbidden by the Israelis to perform marriages,
funerals and other services in the Israeli state.

--->


The hallmarks of the "Jews' religion" according to Paul,
are 2-fold:

1) PERSECUTION of Jah's (God's) Church
2) Allegiance to the "TRADITIONS" of men.

1 Thessalonians 2:12-16

After some Jews rejected their Messiah they formalized
the TRADITION of elders condemned by Christ as the very
nullification of the Law of God, and that
*new religion* is Judaism.

Judaism has as its god, not Yahweh, but the Jewish people,
whose self-worship is at the core of the Talmud.

This diabolic fantasy is the basis of the religion of
Judaism, and it this institutionalized, dogmatic delusion
which distinguishes Judaism from the only Bible-based faith
Christianity.

According to the Oxford English Dictionary, Christendom
existed for 1494 years before this term Judaism was even
coined in English, yet modernist Christians assign this
name to the ancient Israelite religion of Yahweh.

The TOTALLY OCCULT JEW KABBALAH & THE JEW TALMUD

Here below are just a few of the outrageous satanic
beliefs of the Jews (Talmud / Kabbalah) :

1) Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God
2) O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews
3) Jews Have Superior Legal Status
4) Jews May Steal From Non-Jews
5) Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews
6) Jews May Lie To Non-Jews
7) Non-Jewish Children are Sub-Human
8) Insults AGainst Blessed Mary
9) Insults Against Jesus Christ
10) Talmud Attacks Chrisitans and Christian Books

"To heal his flesh a Jew
should take dust that lies
within the shadow of an
outdoor toilet, mix with
honey and eat it."

Gittin 69a

"Gentiles prefer sex with cows"

Abodah Zarah 22a-22b

"Those who read the New Testament
will have no portion in the world
to come"

Sanhedrin 90a

"Jews must destroy the books of
the Christians i.e. the New
Testament - "The books of the
minim may not be saved from a
fire, but they must be burnt."

Shabbat 116a

11) The Talmud's Bogus Tales of Roman Holocaust
12) Sexual Intercourse with Little Girls
13) The Talmud (Kabbalah) is filled with black magic,
Chaldean Occult nonsense from the Babylon era -

"to be qualified for appointment
to the Sanhedrin (religious
court), a man must be a
practicitoner of sorcery"

Sanhedrin 17a

The Kabbalah is filled with astrological teachings,
fortune-telling, gematria, necromancy and demonology.

The Jewish "Purim" is little more than a pagan
BACCHANAL !

Orthodox rabbis place curses, cast spells and imagine
they have powers greater than God, derived from their
study of the Sefer Yezriah, a book of Kabbalalistic
magic.

14) Genocide Advocated By the Talmud

"Even the best of the gentiles
should all be killed"

Soferim 15, Rule 10

1907 Jewish Encyclopedia
[Funk & Wagnalls]

15) Talmudic Doctrine: Non-Jews Are Not Human

16) In Berakoth 58a the Talmud uses Ezekiel 23:20 as proof
of the sub-human status of gentiles. It also teaches
that anyone (even a Jewish man) who reveals this
Talmudic teaching about non-Jews deserves death,
since revealing it makes Gentiles wrathful and
causes the repression of Judaism.

17) American taxpayers' subsidy of the so-called "U.S.
Holocaust Museum" in Washington D.C., is yet another
indicator in the U.s. This "Holocaust museum" excludes
any reference to holocausts perpetrated by Jewish
Communists against Christians in Russia and Eastern
Europe, from 1917 onward.

"which say they are Jews,
and are not, but are the
synagogue of Satan"
Revelation 2:9 (Apocalypse)

The religion of Judaism, the religion of the Talmud and
Kabbalah, is an all-encompassing form of totalitarianism.

The Kabbalah also exhibits the same potent hatred for Jesus
(Y'shua), as the sacred Jewish Talmud does, insulting Him
in grotesque and reprehensible terms.
According to the most important Kabbalistic text, the Zohar,
Jesus is a "dog" who resides amid filth and vermin:

" From the side of idolatry Shabbethaj (Saturn)
is called Lilith, mixed dung, on account of
the filth mixed from all kinds of dirt and
worms, into which they throw dead dogs and
dead asses, the sons of Esau and Ishmael,
and there Jesus and Mohammed, who are dead
dogs, are buried among them. "

That sick statement, the product of what can only be a diseased
mind, comprises a portion of the same Kabbalah upheld and praised
by "great Jewish humanists"

Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals.
Abodah Zarah 36b. Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth)
from birth.

Sandhedrin 106a. Says Jesus's mother was a whore:

"She who was the descendant of
princes and governors played
the harlot with carpenters."

Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b of the Soncino edition, it
is stated that the "uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written
that Jesus mother, "Miriam the hairdresser", had sex with many men.

Sanhedrin 57a. A Jew need not pay a gentile the wages owed him
for work.

Sanhedrin 57a. When a Jew murders a gentile there will be
no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep.

By 1999, certain Orthodox Jewish organizations were forthcoming,
openly admitting that the Talmud describes Jesus as a sorcerer
and a demented sex freak.

On the web-site of the Orthodox Jewish, Chabad-Lubavitch group
one of the largest and most powerful Jewish organizatioins in
the world ---> we find the following statement, accompanied
by citations from the Talmud:

" The Talmud (Babylonian edition) records
other sins of 'Jesus the Nazarene'.

1. He and his disciples practiced sorcery and black

magic, led Jews astray into idolatry and were
sponsored by foreign, gentile powers for the purpose

of subverting Jewish worship
(Sandhedrin 43a)

2. He was sexually immoral, worshipped
statues of stone (a brick is mentioned),
was cut off from the Jewishpeople for
his wickedness, and refused to repent
(Sanhedrin 107b)

3. He learned witchcraft in Egypt
(Sotah 47a)

Gettin 57a says:

"Jesus is in Hell, being boiled in
"hot" excrement."

Sanhedrin 43a says:

"Jesus was executed because he
practiced sorcery:

"It is taught that on
the eve of Passover Jesus
was hung, and forty days
before this the proclamation
was made: Jesus is to be
stoned to death because he
has practiced sorcery and
has lured the people to
idolatry...He was an enticer
and of such thou shalt not
pit or condone."

The rabbinic teacher Moses Maimonides ("Rambam") is revered in
Judaism as a supreme "sage" of the hightest stature. In his
writings Maimonides taught that Christians should be exterminated.

[Marcus Aurelius]

Illegal immigration and unjust legal immigration impoverishes American
citizens and impoverishes the U.S.A. as a whole.

[Ramon F Herrera]

Post by Marcus Aurelius
Illegal immigration and unjust legal immigration impoverishes
American citizens and impoverishes the U.S.A. as a whole.

O Great Emperor! Sire! You forgot to post your Economics credentials.

-Ramon

ps: I can't help but wonder: how can you run your econometric models
with Roman numerals?

[Bull in a China Blue Shop]

Post by Marcus Aurelius
Illegal immigration and unjust legal immigration impoverishes American
citizens and impoverishes the U.S.A. as a whole.

And even if it doesn't, it still does.

[Mitchell Holman]

Post by Marcus Aurelius
Illegal immigration and unjust legal immigration impoverishes American
citizens and impoverishes the U.S.A. as a whole.

Illegal Immigration Provides Benefits to States
May 13, 2010
Fox Busniess News

Putting the law and morality of illegal entry aside, several
studies have shown the illegal immigrant population is more
of an economic contributor to state and local economies than
politicians like to tell an angry electorate. The numbers can
be broken down into the fiscal cost (or gain) of illegal
immigrants to states, along with the economic contribution of
the population.

The most thorough study on the fiscal and economic impact of
immigration was done by the non-partisan Texas Comptrollers’
Office in 2006, which showed Texas earned more in taxes and
economic output from illegal immigrants than governments spent
to provide services. According to the Comptrollers’ office,
state and local governments spent $1.16 billion to provide
services like education, health care and safety, but raised
an estimated $1.58 billion in tax revenues. Based on the data,
the Texas taxpayer made a $424.7 million profit on its illegal
immigrant population in 2006.

Fiscally, illegal immigrants contribute mostly to state and
local coffers primarily through sales and property taxes,
which are mostly unavoidable. A majority of illegal immigrants
pay federal, state and local income tax as well - 50% to 75%,
according the Congressional Budget office.

Figures found in studies such as Texas’ 2006 study, or another
2007 study by the CBO, which did a survey of all data for the
past 30 years and concluded that fiscal impact of services
provided to illegal immigrants “is mostly modest,” stands in
contrast to political rhetoric that fueled the passage of
Arizona SB1070.
http://tinyurl.com/3429xdh

[dsharavi]

Post by Mitchell Holman

Post by Marcus Aurelius
Illegal immigration and unjust legal immigration impoverishes American
citizens and impoverishes the U.S.A. as a whole.

Illegal Immigration Provides Benefits to States
May 13, 2010
Fox Busniess News
Putting the law and morality of illegal entry aside, several
studies have shown the illegal immigrant population is more
of an economic contributor to state and local economies than
politicians like to tell an angry electorate. The numbers can
be broken down into the fiscal cost (or gain) of illegal
immigrants to states, along with the economic contribution of
the population.
The most thorough study on the fiscal and economic impact of
immigration was done by the non-partisan Texas Comptrollers’
Office in 2006, which showed Texas earned more in taxes and
economic output from illegal immigrants than governments spent
to provide services. According to the Comptrollers’ office,
state and local governments spent $1.16 billion to provide
services like education, health care and safety, but raised
an estimated $1.58 billion in tax revenues.

This is a severe twisting of the data. What the 2006 Special Report
noted:

"Undocumented immigrants produced $1.58 billion in state revenues,
which exceeded the $1.16 billion in state services they received.
However, local governments bore the burden of $1.44 billion in
uncompensated health care costs and local law enforcement costs not
paid for by the state....Revenue gains to governments resulting from
undocumented immigrants consist primarily of taxes that cannot be
avoided, such as sales taxes, various fees and user taxes on items
such as gasoline and motor vehicle inspections."

Revenues of $1.58 billion don't quite equal expenditures of $2.6
billion. At least they didn't the last time I looked.

[BeamMeUpScotty]

Post by dsharavi

Post by Mitchell Holman

Post by Marcus Aurelius
Illegal immigration and unjust legal immigration impoverishes American
citizens and impoverishes the U.S.A. as a whole.

Illegal Immigration Provides Benefits to States
May 13, 2010
Fox Busniess News
Putting the law and morality of illegal entry aside, several
studies have shown the illegal immigrant population is more
of an economic contributor to state and local economies than
politicians like to tell an angry electorate. The numbers can
be broken down into the fiscal cost (or gain) of illegal
immigrants to states, along with the economic contribution of
the population.
The most thorough study on the fiscal and economic impact of
immigration was done by the non-partisan Texas Comptrollers’
Office in 2006, which showed Texas earned more in taxes and
economic output from illegal immigrants than governments spent
to provide services. According to the Comptrollers’ office,
state and local governments spent $1.16 billion to provide
services like education, health care and safety, but raised
an estimated $1.58 billion in tax revenues.

This is a severe twisting of the data. What the 2006 Special Report
"Undocumented immigrants produced $1.58 billion in state revenues,
which exceeded the $1.16 billion in state services they received.
However, local governments bore the burden of $1.44 billion in
uncompensated health care costs and local law enforcement costs not
paid for by the state....Revenue gains to governments resulting from
undocumented immigrants consist primarily of taxes that cannot be
avoided, such as sales taxes, various fees and user taxes on items
such as gasoline and motor vehicle inspections."
Revenues of $1.58 billion don't quite equal expenditures of $2.6
billion. At least they didn't the last time I looked.

Interesting that health care was a financial crisis when ObamaCare was
up for a vote and suddenly it has all reversed and even with NO
ObamaCare yet, the illegals who are the quintessential poor are paying
their own way and there is no crisis.


How odd this magical turn around happened, how do people that can't
afford health care manage to pay all their medical bills and create the
income to do that when Liberals and Democrats just told us that the poor
can't afford health care. Either they can afford it or they can't but
Liberals have a way of telling us they *CAN* and *CAN'T* afford it all
at the same time.


Which time do you think these Liberal-Democrats were lying?

[Ramon F. Herrera]

Post by dsharavi

Post by Mitchell Holman

Post by Marcus Aurelius
Illegal immigration and unjust legal immigration impoverishes American
citizens and impoverishes the U.S.A. as a whole.

Illegal Immigration Provides Benefits to States
May 13, 2010
Fox Busniess News
Putting the law and morality of illegal entry aside, several
studies have shown the illegal immigrant population is more
of an economic contributor to state and local economies than
politicians like to tell an angry electorate. The numbers can
be broken down into the fiscal cost (or gain) of illegal
immigrants to states, along with the economic contribution of
the population.
The most thorough study on the fiscal and economic impact of
immigration was done by the non-partisan Texas Comptrollers’
Office in 2006, which showed Texas earned more in taxes and
economic output from illegal immigrants than governments spent
to provide services. According to the Comptrollers’ office,
state and local governments spent $1.16 billion to provide
services like education, health care and safety, but raised
an estimated $1.58 billion in tax revenues.

This is a severe twisting of the data.

How about your read the rest of the reports?

http://www.collinscenter.org/page/imm_effects

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impact_of_illegal_immigrants_in_the_United_States

-Ramon

[f. barnes]

Post by Mitchell Holman

Post by Marcus Aurelius
Illegal immigration and unjust legal immigration impoverishes American
citizens and impoverishes the U.S.A. as a whole.

Illegal Immigration Provides Benefits to States
May 13, 2010
Fox Busniess News
Putting the law and morality of illegal entry aside, several
studies have shown the illegal immigrant population is more
of an economic contributor to state and local economies than
politicians like to tell an angry electorate. The numbers can
be broken down into the fiscal cost (or gain) of illegal
immigrants to states, along with the economic contribution of
the population.
The most thorough study on the fiscal and economic impact of
immigration was done by the non-partisan Texas Comptrollers’
Office in 2006, which showed Texas earned more in taxes and
economic output from illegal immigrants than governments spent
to provide services. According to the Comptrollers’ office,
state and local governments spent $1.16 billion to provide
services like education, health care and safety, but raised
an estimated $1.58 billion in tax revenues. Based on the data,
the Texas taxpayer made a $424.7 million profit on its illegal
immigrant population in 2006.
Fiscally, illegal immigrants contribute mostly to state and
local coffers primarily through sales and property taxes,
which are mostly unavoidable. A majority of illegal immigrants
pay federal, state and local income tax as well - 50% to 75%,
according the Congressional Budget office.
Figures found in studies such as Texas’ 2006 study, or another
2007 study by the CBO, which did a survey of all data for the
past 30 years and concluded that fiscal impact of services
provided to illegal immigrants “is mostly modest,” stands in
contrast to political rhetoric that fueled the passage of
Arizona SB1070.http://tinyurl.com/3429xdh

That study ignored the cost of educating, medicating, feeding, and
housing the off-spring of illegals. Like all other studies designed
specifically to show the "benefits" of illegal immigration, it is
total garbage. Stop posting that non-sense.

[Mitchell Holman]

130f-

Post by f. barnes

Post by Mitchell Holman

Post by Marcus Aurelius
Illegal immigration and unjust legal immigration impoverishes American
citizens and impoverishes the U.S.A. as a whole.

Illegal Immigration Provides Benefits to States
May 13, 2010
Fox Busniess News
Putting the law and morality of illegal entry aside, several
studies have shown the illegal immigrant population is more
of an economic contributor to state and local economies than
politicians like to tell an angry electorate. The numbers can
be broken down into the fiscal cost (or gain) of illegal
immigrants to states, along with the economic contribution of
the population.
The most thorough study on the fiscal and economic impact of
immigration was done by the non-partisan Texas Comptrollers’
Office in 2006, which showed Texas earned more in taxes and
economic output from illegal immigrants than governments spent
to provide services. According to the Comptrollers’ office,
state and local governments spent $1.16 billion to provide
services like education, health care and safety, but raised
an estimated $1.58 billion in tax revenues. Based on the data,
the Texas taxpayer made a $424.7 million profit on its illegal
immigrant population in 2006.
Fiscally, illegal immigrants contribute mostly to state and
local coffers primarily through sales and property taxes,
which are mostly unavoidable. A majority of illegal immigrants
pay federal, state and local income tax as well - 50% to 75%,
according the Congressional Budget office.
Figures found in studies such as Texas’ 2006 study, or another
2007 study by the CBO, which did a survey of all data for the
past 30 years and concluded that fiscal impact of services
provided to illegal immigrants “is mostly modest,” stands in
contrast to political rhetoric that fueled the passage of
Arizona SB1070.http://tinyurl.com/3429xdh

That study ignored the cost of educating, medicating, feeding, and
housing the off-spring of illegals.

If they are born in America they are Americans. What do
you have against feeding and educating American children?


Like all other studies designed

Post by f. barnes
specifically to show the "benefits" of illegal immigration, it is
total garbage. Stop posting that non-sense.

From the "liberal" Fox News, no less.

[BeamMeUpScotty]

Post by Mitchell Holman

Post by Marcus Aurelius
Illegal immigration and unjust legal immigration impoverishes American
citizens and impoverishes the U.S.A. as a whole.

Illegal Immigration Provides Benefits to States
May 13, 2010
Fox Busniess News
Putting the law and morality of illegal entry aside, several
studies have shown the illegal immigrant population is more
of an economic contributor to state and local economies than
politicians like to tell an angry electorate. The numbers can
be broken down into the fiscal cost (or gain) of illegal
immigrants to states, along with the economic contribution of
the population.

And mass murderers stimulate the mortuary business but we still don't
let the mass murderers run free....

[Ramon F. Herrera]

On Jan 7, 10:07 am, BeamMeUpScotty

Post by BeamMeUpScotty

Post by Mitchell Holman

Post by Marcus Aurelius
Illegal immigration and unjust legal immigration impoverishes American
citizens and impoverishes the U.S.A. as a whole.

Illegal Immigration Provides Benefits to States
May 13, 2010
Fox Busniess News
Putting the law and morality of illegal entry aside, several
studies have shown the illegal immigrant population is more
of an economic contributor to state and local economies than
politicians like to tell an angry electorate. The numbers can
be broken down into the fiscal cost (or gain) of illegal
immigrants to states, along with the economic contribution of
the population.

And mass murderers stimulate the mortuary business
but we still don't let the mass murderers run free....

Most crime is committed by poor people, but we still cannot eliminate
the poor people.

Comprehensive Immigration Reform (which necessarily implies a Path to
Legalization) is the opposite of amnesty: it is about deciding on
penalties, sanctions, fines, punishment, etc. and applying them. It is
about deporting the bad ones. It is about using a biometric SSN card
that really works (and that can stop more border jumpers than the
tallest electrified fence), as opposed to the crappy e-verify.

The position of the far right is to allow the illegals run free,
thereby giving them a de facto amnesty.

-Ramon

[BeamMeUpScotty]

On Jan 7, 10:07 am, BeamMeUpScotty

Post by BeamMeUpScotty

Post by Mitchell Holman

Post by Marcus Aurelius
Illegal immigration and unjust legal immigration impoverishes American
citizens and impoverishes the U.S.A. as a whole.

Illegal Immigration Provides Benefits to States
May 13, 2010
Fox Busniess News
Putting the law and morality of illegal entry aside, several
studies have shown the illegal immigrant population is more
of an economic contributor to state and local economies than
politicians like to tell an angry electorate. The numbers can
be broken down into the fiscal cost (or gain) of illegal
immigrants to states, along with the economic contribution of
the population.

And mass murderers stimulate the mortuary business
but we still don't let the mass murderers run free....

Most crime is committed by poor people, but we still cannot eliminate
the poor people.
Comprehensive Immigration Reform (which necessarily implies a Path to
Legalization) is the opposite of amnesty: it is about deciding on
penalties, sanctions, fines, punishment, etc. and applying them. It is
about deporting the bad ones. It is about using a biometric SSN card
that really works (and that can stop more border jumpers than the
tallest electrified fence), as opposed to the crappy e-verify.
The position of the far right is to allow the illegals run free,
thereby giving them a de facto amnesty.
-Ramon

Lock a GPS ankle bracelet on every one of the border crossing aliens.


We would know where to find them or have a trail to follow when we
wanted to.

[Ramon F. Herrera]

On Jan 7, 10:38 am, BeamMeUpScotty

Post by BeamMeUpScotty

On Jan 7, 10:07 am, BeamMeUpScotty

Post by Mitchell Holman

Post by Marcus Aurelius
Illegal immigration and unjust legal immigration impoverishes American
citizens and impoverishes the U.S.A. as a whole.

Illegal Immigration Provides Benefits to States
May 13, 2010
Fox Busniess News
Putting the law and morality of illegal entry aside, several
studies have shown the illegal immigrant population is more
of an economic contributor to state and local economies than
politicians like to tell an angry electorate. The numbers can
be broken down into the fiscal cost (or gain) of illegal
immigrants to states, along with the economic contribution of
the population.

 > And mass murderers stimulate the mortuary business
 > but we still don't let the mass murderers run free....
Most crime is committed by poor people, but we still cannot eliminate
the poor people.
Comprehensive Immigration Reform (which necessarily implies a Path to
Legalization) is the opposite of amnesty: it is about deciding on
penalties, sanctions, fines, punishment, etc. and applying them. It is
about deporting the bad ones. It is about using a biometric SSN card
that really works (and that can stop more border jumpers than the
tallest electrified fence), as opposed to the crappy e-verify.
The position of the far right is to allow the illegals run free,
thereby giving them a de facto amnesty.
-Ramon

Lock a GPS ankle bracelet on every one of the border crossing

aliens.

Write a letter suggesting that "solution" (which happens to be
violation of human rights) to the tourism industry, international
conferences, educational institutions and all US business who receive
visitors, with a copy to Congress.

Consider the retaliatory steps that would be taken against US citizens
traveling overseas (like Brazil did).

Why is it that far right baggers, every time they think about a
problem or issue, their instinctive reaction is: "Hey! Let's wipe our
asses with the pages of the Constitution!!!"

-Ramon

[Bull in a China Blue Shop]

Post by Ramon F. Herrera
Why is it that far right baggers, every time they think about a
problem or issue, their instinctive reaction is: "Hey! Let's wipe our
asses with the pages of the Constitution!!!"

Because bigots always do that.

[BeamMeUpScotty]

On Jan 7, 10:38 am, BeamMeUpScotty

Post by BeamMeUpScotty

On Jan 7, 10:07 am, BeamMeUpScotty

Post by BeamMeUpScotty

Post by Mitchell Holman

Post by Marcus Aurelius
Illegal immigration and unjust legal immigration impoverishes American
citizens and impoverishes the U.S.A. as a whole.

Illegal Immigration Provides Benefits to States
May 13, 2010
Fox Busniess News
Putting the law and morality of illegal entry aside, several
studies have shown the illegal immigrant population is more
of an economic contributor to state and local economies than
politicians like to tell an angry electorate. The numbers can
be broken down into the fiscal cost (or gain) of illegal
immigrants to states, along with the economic contribution of
the population.

And mass murderers stimulate the mortuary business
but we still don't let the mass murderers run free....

Most crime is committed by poor people, but we still cannot eliminate
the poor people.
Comprehensive Immigration Reform (which necessarily implies a Path to
Legalization) is the opposite of amnesty: it is about deciding on
penalties, sanctions, fines, punishment, etc. and applying them. It is
about deporting the bad ones. It is about using a biometric SSN card
that really works (and that can stop more border jumpers than the
tallest electrified fence), as opposed to the crappy e-verify.
The position of the far right is to allow the illegals run free,
thereby giving them a de facto amnesty.
-Ramon

Lock a GPS ankle bracelet on every one of the border crossing

aliens.
Write a letter suggesting that "solution" (which happens to be
violation of human rights) to the tourism industry, international
conferences, educational institutions and all US business who receive
visitors, with a copy to Congress.

Worried about "HUMAN RIGHTS" coming from a Liberal that wants to kill
little HUMANS in the woman's uterus.... now that is funny.

Obama just decided he can lock the legal and illegal aliens or you up
for eternity and there's NOTHING that you can do to stop him.

If I were from another country I would hesitate before I go to America
for fun or business, the world should fear or government.

Consider the retaliatory steps that would be taken against US citizens
traveling overseas (like Brazil did).

I expect they will have to obey the law.

Why is it that far right baggers, every time they think about a
problem or issue, their instinctive reaction is: "Hey! Let's wipe our
asses with the pages of the Constitution!!!"

It's NOT unconstitutional to treat NON citizens as NON citizens.

A visitor has the RIGHT to visit NOT to decide what is constitutional
for the real citizens to do.

-Ramon

[Mitchell Holman]

Post by BeamMeUpScotty

On Jan 7, 10:38 am, BeamMeUpScotty

Post by BeamMeUpScotty

On Jan 7, 10:07 am, BeamMeUpScotty

Post by BeamMeUpScotty

news:014f18f5-130f-

Post by Marcus Aurelius
Illegal immigration and unjust legal immigration impoverishes
American citizens and impoverishes the U.S.A. as a whole.

Illegal Immigration Provides Benefits to States
May 13, 2010
Fox Busniess News
Putting the law and morality of illegal entry aside, several
studies have shown the illegal immigrant population is more
of an economic contributor to state and local economies than
politicians like to tell an angry electorate. The numbers can
be broken down into the fiscal cost (or gain) of illegal
immigrants to states, along with the economic contribution of
the population.

And mass murderers stimulate the mortuary business
but we still don't let the mass murderers run free....

Most crime is committed by poor people, but we still cannot
eliminate the poor people.
Comprehensive Immigration Reform (which necessarily implies a Path
to Legalization) is the opposite of amnesty: it is about deciding
on penalties, sanctions, fines, punishment, etc. and applying them.
It is about deporting the bad ones. It is about using a biometric
SSN card that really works (and that can stop more border jumpers
than the tallest electrified fence), as opposed to the crappy
e-verify.
The position of the far right is to allow the illegals run free,
thereby giving them a de facto amnesty.
-Ramon

Lock a GPS ankle bracelet on every one of the border crossing

aliens.
Write a letter suggesting that "solution" (which happens to be
violation of human rights) to the tourism industry, international
conferences, educational institutions and all US business who receive
visitors, with a copy to Congress.

Worried about "HUMAN RIGHTS" coming from a Liberal that wants to kill
little HUMANS in the woman's uterus.... now that is funny.
Obama just decided he can lock the legal and illegal aliens or you up
for eternity and there's NOTHING that you can do to stop him.
If I were from another country I would hesitate before I go to America
for fun or business, the world should fear or government.

Consider the retaliatory steps that would be taken against US
citizens traveling overseas (like Brazil did).

I expect they will have to obey the law.

Why is it that far right baggers, every time they think about a
problem or issue, their instinctive reaction is: "Hey! Let's wipe our
asses with the pages of the Constitution!!!"

It's NOT unconstitutional to treat NON citizens as NON citizens.

Even non-citizens have rights.


"The Due Process Clause applies to all persons within the
United States, including aliens, whether their presence is
lawful, unlawful, temporary, or permanent."

The US Supreme Court, Zadvydas v. Davis (2001)
<http://laws.findlaw.com/us/000/99-7791.html>

[BeamMeUpScotty]

On Jan 7, 10:38 am, BeamMeUpScotty

Post by BeamMeUpScotty

On Jan 7, 10:07 am, BeamMeUpScotty

Post by BeamMeUpScotty

Post by Mitchell Holman

Post by Marcus Aurelius
Illegal immigration and unjust legal immigration impoverishes American
citizens and impoverishes the U.S.A. as a whole.

Illegal Immigration Provides Benefits to States
May 13, 2010
Fox Busniess News
Putting the law and morality of illegal entry aside, several
studies have shown the illegal immigrant population is more
of an economic contributor to state and local economies than
politicians like to tell an angry electorate. The numbers can
be broken down into the fiscal cost (or gain) of illegal
immigrants to states, along with the economic contribution of
the population.

And mass murderers stimulate the mortuary business
but we still don't let the mass murderers run free....

Most crime is committed by poor people, but we still cannot eliminate
the poor people.
Comprehensive Immigration Reform (which necessarily implies a Path to
Legalization) is the opposite of amnesty: it is about deciding on
penalties, sanctions, fines, punishment, etc. and applying them. It is
about deporting the bad ones. It is about using a biometric SSN card
that really works (and that can stop more border jumpers than the
tallest electrified fence), as opposed to the crappy e-verify.
The position of the far right is to allow the illegals run free,
thereby giving them a de facto amnesty.
-Ramon

Lock a GPS ankle bracelet on every one of the border crossing

aliens.
Write a letter suggesting that "solution" (which happens to be
violation of human rights) to the tourism industry, international
conferences, educational institutions and all US business who receive
visitors, with a copy to Congress.

Worried about "HUMAN RIGHTS" coming from a Liberal that wants to kill
little HUMANS in the woman's uterus.... now that is funny.

Obama just decided he can lock up the legal and illegal aliens or you
for 2000 years and there's NOTHING that you can do to stop him.

If I were from another country I'd hesitate before I go to America
for fun or business, the world should fear our government, I know I do.
Would you go to Iran where they also lock away anyone and hold them
ransom like Obama does?

Consider the retaliatory steps that would be taken against US citizens
traveling overseas (like Brazil did).

I expect they will have to obey the law. Like we always do.

Why is it that far right baggers, every time they think about a
problem or issue, their instinctive reaction is: "Hey! Let's wipe our
asses with the pages of the Constitution!!!"

It's NOT unconstitutional to treat NON citizens as NON citizens. Obama
is treating us all worse than what I suggested we do and you jump on me
and give Obama a pass while having done far worse.

A visitor has the RIGHT to visit NOT to decide what is constitutional
for the real citizens to do. If they don't like it then go back to
their country.

[Mitchell Holman]

Post by BeamMeUpScotty

On Jan 7, 10:07 am, BeamMeUpScotty

Post by BeamMeUpScotty

news:014f18f5-130f-

Post by Marcus Aurelius
Illegal immigration and unjust legal immigration impoverishes
American citizens and impoverishes the U.S.A. as a whole.

Illegal Immigration Provides Benefits to States
May 13, 2010
Fox Busniess News
Putting the law and morality of illegal entry aside, several
studies have shown the illegal immigrant population is more
of an economic contributor to state and local economies than
politicians like to tell an angry electorate. The numbers can
be broken down into the fiscal cost (or gain) of illegal
immigrants to states, along with the economic contribution of
the population.

And mass murderers stimulate the mortuary business
but we still don't let the mass murderers run free....

Most crime is committed by poor people, but we still cannot eliminate
the poor people.
Comprehensive Immigration Reform (which necessarily implies a Path to
Legalization) is the opposite of amnesty: it is about deciding on
penalties, sanctions, fines, punishment, etc. and applying them. It
is about deporting the bad ones. It is about using a biometric SSN
card that really works (and that can stop more border jumpers than
the tallest electrified fence), as opposed to the crappy e-verify.
The position of the far right is to allow the illegals run free,
thereby giving them a de facto amnesty.
-Ramon

Lock a GPS ankle bracelet on every one of the border crossing aliens.
We would know where to find them or have a trail to follow when we
wanted to.

Good idea. That way we will know which "tough on illegals"
Conservatives are secretly hiring them to do their dirty work.




Lou Dobbs's Horse Farm Staffed by Illegal Immigrants
OCT 07, 2010

For years, Lou Dobbs was illegal immigration's fiercest
basic cable critic. Now it seems the former CNN anchor
may not have practiced what he (loudly) preached. That's
the takeaway from a blistering new article in The Nation
claiming Dobbs employed at least five undocumented workers
on his 300-acre New Jersey horse farm. What kind of impact
will the revelations have on the closed-borders crusader's
brand? Around the web, opinions were mixed:

The world of thoroughbred horses has long relied on immigrant
labor (legal and illegal), and one imagines it would be a
trifle difficult to find a multi-million dollar estate in
the United States in which there were not any undocumented
workers busy pruning bushes. Long hours, lousy working
conditions, backbreaking labor, low pay? Put those conditions
together and you will find illegal immigrants.

http://tinyurl.com/4cg7mzd

[BeamMeUpScotty]

Post by Mitchell Holman

Post by BeamMeUpScotty

On Jan 7, 10:07 am, BeamMeUpScotty

Post by BeamMeUpScotty

news:014f18f5-130f-

Post by Marcus Aurelius
Illegal immigration and unjust legal immigration impoverishes
American citizens and impoverishes the U.S.A. as a whole.

Illegal Immigration Provides Benefits to States
May 13, 2010
Fox Busniess News
Putting the law and morality of illegal entry aside, several
studies have shown the illegal immigrant population is more
of an economic contributor to state and local economies than
politicians like to tell an angry electorate. The numbers can
be broken down into the fiscal cost (or gain) of illegal
immigrants to states, along with the economic contribution of
the population.

And mass murderers stimulate the mortuary business
but we still don't let the mass murderers run free....

Most crime is committed by poor people, but we still cannot eliminate
the poor people.
Comprehensive Immigration Reform (which necessarily implies a Path to
Legalization) is the opposite of amnesty: it is about deciding on
penalties, sanctions, fines, punishment, etc. and applying them. It
is about deporting the bad ones. It is about using a biometric SSN
card that really works (and that can stop more border jumpers than
the tallest electrified fence), as opposed to the crappy e-verify.
The position of the far right is to allow the illegals run free,
thereby giving them a de facto amnesty.
-Ramon

Lock a GPS ankle bracelet on every one of the border crossing aliens.
We would know where to find them or have a trail to follow when we
wanted to.

Good idea. That way we will know which "tough on illegals"
Conservatives are secretly hiring them to do their dirty work.
Lou Dobbs's Horse Farm Staffed by Illegal Immigrants
OCT 07, 2010

I have no problem with letting the chips fall where they may!


If they do that sort of thing then they deserve our wrath.

Post by Mitchell Holman
For years, Lou Dobbs was illegal immigration's fiercest
basic cable critic. Now it seems the former CNN anchor
may not have practiced what he (loudly) preached. That's
the takeaway from a blistering new article in The Nation
claiming Dobbs employed at least five undocumented workers
on his 300-acre New Jersey horse farm. What kind of impact
will the revelations have on the closed-borders crusader's
The world of thoroughbred horses has long relied on immigrant
labor (legal and illegal), and one imagines it would be a
trifle difficult to find a multi-million dollar estate in
the United States in which there were not any undocumented
workers busy pruning bushes. Long hours, lousy working
conditions, backbreaking labor, low pay? Put those conditions
together and you will find illegal immigrants.
http://tinyurl.com/4cg7mzd

[f. barnes]

Post by Ramon F. Herrera
"Immigration creates jobs for native-born Americans. That is the
fundamental finding of a new study from the American Enterprise
Institute and the Partnership For A New American Economy, entitled
Immigration and American Jobs. The study—authored by Madeline Zavodny,
a professor of economics at Agnes Scott College—reinforces the
findings of numerous other studies which have demonstrated that there
is no correlation between immigration and unemployment. Specifically,
Zavodny analyzes Census data with the aim of answering one pivotal
question: “In states with more immigrants, are US natives more or less
immigrants with advanced degrees, and immigrants of any skill level
who are in the country on temporary visas.
[...]"
http://tinyurl.com/6nauz7q
http://www.aei.org/files/2011/12/14/-immigration-and-american-jobs_14...
-Ramon

Only a very foolish immigrant, of whatever flavor, would head for a
state with the highest unemployment rate.

I once did a predator-prey study and surprisingly found that more
predators did nothing towards reducing the number of prey. That is,
In areas where there were more predators, there seemed to almost
always be more prey than in areas where there were fewer prey.

[walt tonne]

How many jobs are created by the flooding of America with third-world
immigrants. Ponzi scheme of bringing
in cheap labor and selling them those Chinese made products. Not a
chance in hell of a long-term economic
growth. That means selling products in the global market. America has
slide to 3 place behind China and Germany.
What products do we offer the global market that can't be done just as
well or better, by an overseas operation?
Danged few. Boeing.

[BeamMeUpScotty]

Post by f. barnes

Post by Ramon F. Herrera
"Immigration creates jobs for native-born Americans. That is the
fundamental finding of a new study from the American Enterprise
Institute and the Partnership For A New American Economy, entitled
Immigration and American Jobs. The study—authored by Madeline Zavodny,
a professor of economics at Agnes Scott College—reinforces the
findings of numerous other studies which have demonstrated that there
is no correlation between immigration and unemployment. Specifically,
Zavodny analyzes Census data with the aim of answering one pivotal
question: “In states with more immigrants, are US natives more or less
immigrants with advanced degrees, and immigrants of any skill level
who are in the country on temporary visas.
[...]"
http://tinyurl.com/6nauz7q
http://www.aei.org/files/2011/12/14/-immigration-and-american-jobs_14...
-Ramon

Only a very foolish immigrant, of whatever flavor, would head for a
state with the highest unemployment rate.
I once did a predator-prey study and surprisingly found that more
predators did nothing towards reducing the number of prey. That is,
In areas where there were more predators, there seemed to almost
always be more prey than in areas where there were fewer prey.

Do the Predators kill each other over territory?

[f. barnes]

Post by Ramon F. Herrera
"Immigration creates jobs for native-born Americans. That is the
fundamental finding of a new study from the American Enterprise
Institute and the Partnership For A New American Economy, entitled
Immigration and American Jobs. The study—authored by Madeline Zavodny,
a professor of economics at Agnes Scott College—reinforces the
findings of numerous other studies which have demonstrated that there
is no correlation between immigration and unemployment. Specifically,
Zavodny analyzes Census data with the aim of answering one pivotal
question: “In states with more immigrants, are US natives more or less
immigrants with advanced degrees, and immigrants of any skill level
who are in the country on temporary visas.
[...]"
http://tinyurl.com/6nauz7q
http://www.aei.org/files/2011/12/14/-immigration-and-american-jobs_14...
-Ramon

 Only a very foolish immigrant, of whatever flavor, would head for a
state with the highest unemployment rate.
I once did a predator-prey study and surprisingly found that more
predators did nothing towards reducing the number of prey.  That is,
In areas where there were more predators, there seemed to almost
always be more prey than in areas where there were fewer prey.-

Change the final "prey" to "predators". But I suppose the mistake is
obvious from the context.

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[don Gabacho]

"Immigration creates jobs for...

...brothers and cousins south of the border.

Money remitted buys a machete and---voila---one's brother and cousin
now has a "job" gardening south of the border.